I don't know how people could live here.
I think this was recent.
And I think she was murdered.
It's like we're goin' through hell every day here.
I think it wants us to die.
This thing can kill them, take their souls.
Whatever's here, it's evil.
What is this a gateway to?
Hell.
Bad, bad things can happen.
This seems like a possession.
My name is Amy Allan.
Everything was built on blood.
I see dead people.
Very disturbing.
I speak to dead people.
There's victims around him. Ow.
And they speak to me.
Her voice sounds like death.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
The living don't stand a chance here.
I rely on my partner.
I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.
You could've got killed.
I know every person, every house has secrets.
This is comin' straight from hell.
It's my job to reveal them.
Your mom was murdered right here in this room.
Yes, she was.
But Steve and I never speak...
We never communicate during an investigation.
...until the very end.
This was just the beginning.
We uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
Oh, my God.
...or time to get out.
They're very bad.
This house is going to kill me.
I'm in the very small town of Hardinsburg, Indiana,
about 45 minutes from the Kentucky border.
I got a call from a woman named Norma.
Now, she sounded really bad.
She said she moved into her sister's house
to take care of her elderly dad.
Since then, she's been literally tortured,
battered, and bruised by the paranormal activity there.
She told me, if we can't get rid of what's in the house,
somebody's gonna die.
Before Amy arrives, I need to sweep the area
and remove anything that can influence her findings.
Items such as family photos,
religious icons,
and even medical equipment need to be hidden from view.
When I'm finished, the location
will be ready for tonight's walk.
So, this whole area is basically just kind of
And, like, I don't know how people could live here
because it just feels like there's so much in the darkness.
This all feels bad.
So, I think there might be a gateway here.
So, what is this a gateway to?
Hell.
Norma, I got to tell you, I'm glad I'm here
because when we spoke on the phone,
you sounded pretty stressed out
about what you and the family are goin' through.
I'm very stressed.
It's like we're goin' through hell every day here.
I'm afraid somebody's gonna get hurt really bad or even killed.
It's that bad? Yep.
All right. So who all lives here?
My sister and her husband, Gary and Patty.
Okay.
And my dad and me.
All right, Norma, do me a favor and just tell me
what you guys are experiencing here.
We hear knocking sounds.
We feel like we're being watched.
We hear growling.
We're seein' things moved on their own.
We've also had physical attacks.
I don't think I could take it much more, honestly.
And it worries me about Daddy, too,
'cause he is old, you know?
And he's more vulnerable, I think, than us.
Yeah. I know you came here to take care of your dad.
I did, yes. How bad is he?
What's his, you know, prognosis?
He's really bad.
He's in hospice care.
Okay.
He has failing heart, failing lungs, failing kidneys.
I just hope nothin' hurts him or makes him die sooner.
You know, we shouldn't have to go through that.
Nobody should.
What do you think whatever's here wants?
I think there's evil here.
Honestly, I think it wants us to die.
So, whether there is some kind of gateway here or nearby,
I don't feel like it's necessarily
directly affecting this location.
But I think that many people knew, uh,
that this was not a good place.
And they stayed away from it.
I'm, like, scared.
I want to run away.
I'm feelin' really anxious and uncomfortable.
So, Norma, I see the hospital bed
and the oxygen tank in here.
I'm assuming this is where your dad stays?
It is, yes. Okay.
So, I'm curious about your dad bein' in here.
Is he havin' experiences?
Yeah, he's experienced things. You can tell.
But he won't... But he won't talk about it.
I'm just worried about my dad.
If somethin' was to bother him, it could kill him.
Now, what about you? What about experiences?
Uh, I was layin' on the couch.
And I felt this arm behind me.
Is it possible it could have been one of the animals?
No. They sleep in my sister's room.
Were you in, like, about-to-fall-asleep stage?
Oh, no. I was layin' here watchin' TV.
So you were wide awake.
Yeah, wide awake.
That's interesting. Okay. Anything else?
Well, we stay pretty depressed here.
And you feel very sad.
And then you also get angry.
It's like you have a very big mood swing.
How are you handling things emotionally here?
Not very well. I feel like I'm goin' crazy.
I've been through a lot, believe me.
But I feel like if I left, I'd be desertin' my dad.
And I'd be desertin' my sister.
It's like I don't have a choice, you know.
So I feel like a prisoner. And that's horrible.
But I do.
Okay.
This place is not good.
I don't like it.
I feel an extreme amount of anxiety.
And I don't know if it's, like --
if that's how people feel here, in general,
or if I'm freakin' out.
I saw a couple of people lined up against the fence.
And they all looked pretty up.
So, most of them are in their death state still.
And, uh, they're different people.
It seems like different time periods.
They're kept hidden most of the time.
It's just intense negativity. It's evil.
So, Norma, I got to assume this is your bedroom.
Yes. It is.
Okay. What are you experiencing in here?
My fan right back here
has been thrown across the room twice in one night.
Did you see it fly?
I heard it. I heard a big boom.
Okay. And I got up and looked.
And my fan was over here on the floor.
And it wasn't on.
And it was all the way over to my dresser.
So it wasn't like it just fell down.
Okay. Anything else?
Yes, shadow figures, big and small.
Now, are you seeing these shadow figures
just in this room or all over the house? It's all over the house.
- All over. - Yep.
I mean, how the hell do you sleep here at night?
I don't.
I usually sleep with my sister and her husband.
Nobody feels comfortable sleepin' in here.
I just feel like I'm in constant danger in here.
You do want to -- want to just hide somewhere.
But there's nowhere to hide.
So, you know, that makes it hard.
You okay? Yeah, just tryin' to be strong.
Yeah.
At first, I thought this gateway might be causing problems here.
But it's really something else.
I'm seein' a weird-lookin' thing.
And, uh, the term skin walker is associated with it.
This thing's, like, really well-advanced.
So it's old.
And it's huge.
But its arms are like this.
I definitely think the living would see him.
And the way that they would see him
is a very tall, huge shadow.
Yeah. This thing comes in here.
I mean, he storms through here like he owns the place.
And I also think
that they would hear stuff being knocked over.
Like, when it comes in here,
it, like, covers the ceiling in here.
You can't escape this room when it comes in here.
And then it branches out into, like, this black tent.
And it just completely surrounds the people.
The living, I think, are really feeling
this sense of being trapped.
And they don't understand
why they're so [bleep] miserable.
So, Chyanne, I understand you're Norma's niece
and that you lived here for a while
after your mother passed away.
Yeah. I used to live with my mom.
And then when she passed, I moved here.
And that's when everything started hittin' the fan.
Tell me about the experiences you had when you were here.
I had nightmares all the time when I lived here.
What are the dreams about?
They were about my mother.
She would be smiling at me with her arms open.
And then I would go to hug her.
And she would just turn into this awful
monster-like thing, like, demonic.
Her arms would come out like a snake.
And she'd start choking me
and saying she was gonna drag me to hell.
What makes you think your nightmares
are caused by the paranormal?
I think the spirits knew
that I was suffering at that time.
And it was using her against me.
It was something taking on her form
trying to deceive me
into thinking it's something good
when it wants to do harm.
Anything else?
I saw, in the living room,
this really freaky spiderlike creature.
It was huge.
What color was it?
Black, solid black.
Okay. I was really freaked out.
I just went straight to my bedroom.
I think the best thing you ever did was move out of here.
When I was here, I was depressed.
I hated everyone. Okay.
I even got put on medication
because my stress and anxiety
and depression was so great.
And then I left. And I don't need it anymore.
What do you think's goin' on in the property here?
I think that whatever's here, it's evil.
This skin walker thing, it's always watching them.
It makes me very uncomfortable and nervous.
I don't like it at all.
It can easily take on their -- the dead people's forms.
It seems to be using some dead people,
um, that are familiar
to the living for them to encounter.
You know, it would be like you're, uh, sleeping.
You wake up. You see, you know,
your grandfather standing there.
And that would be a good thing.
But this is not.
And it's bad.
It makes them embrace the dark side.
It's like a subconscious thing.
It's like a manipulation thing.
But they're not even aware of it.
Bad, bad things can happen.
It seems like the whole family's goin' through a lot of stuff.
Yes.
Okay. And I assume you are, as well.
Right. Do me a favor.
Just take me through some of the experiences you have.
I've seen an apparition of a man.
It was a male white man.
He had on a white T-shirt and a pair of blue jeans.
To be honest, I thought it was my husband.
And then it disappeared.
So, anything else goin' on?
The bed has shook on us before.
When you say it shakes, what do you mean?
- It just... - It's kind of like -- like that.
But it's the whole bed.
I mean, you're sure it's not trucks goin' by?
It's not.
You're positive of that, then?
I'm positive.
Okay, anything else that you've seen or heard?
Well, I felt something get up off the bed one night.
And it walked right over by my side.
And it gave a really horrible loud growl.
It sounded demonic.
What did you do when you heard that?
I pretended like I was asleep, hopin' it'd go away.
That literally scared me half to death.
And I was afraid to move.
This skin walker thing, it was just, like,
growling and just freaky.
I feel like the bed's shaking. I'm hearing a bang.
There's a lot, I mean, a lot of weird [bleep]
This thing -- This thing, it's making, um,
somebody see all these things.
This is causing hallucinations
because a lot of the things are not real.
They're being induced by this thing, which is real.
Massive amounts of anger in here.
Feeling ruined, absolutely ruined.
Seems like since I've lived here, though,
my health has just been declining rapidly.
In what way?
Been diagnosed with Ménière's disease, sciatica.
I've been diagnosed with fibromyalgia.
People get sick, I mean, every day.
So what makes you think what you're goin' through
is paranormal?
Because I wasn't like that when we moved here.
And all of a sudden, I just -- I stay sick.
In fact, they got me on all that medicine over there
in that orange basket.
So, Patty, with all the hell that's goin' on here,
I mean, how's its toll on you, emotionally?
Really bad.
I feel like I'm goin' crazy.
Sometimes, I feel like I'm about to have a nervous breakdown.
But I have to hold it together.
Are you okay?
Yeah.
I have to be.
My dad, he's livin' here now.
And his health is failing him.
And it's really hard to watch.
Yeah. I bet it is.
And I really don't want to see him die.
It's tearin' me apart.
So, this person has been,
like, turned insane by this thing.
And then I'm feeling really drained and really sick.
Ow. Ow. So much physical pain.
I hate it.
The skin walker can go wherever it wants.
Why are they called skin walkers?
What does that mean?
Because they can transform into other people.
It can take on the form of humans.
But this one is, like, collecting people,
you know, dead people.
They steal people, kill them,
take their souls.
This is an extremely small town, 248 people.
So the second I called the local historian,
he knew all about Norma's property.
Turns out it was owned by a fanatical preacher
who led an armed revolt against his own church.
So, Jeremy, this, uh, crazy preacher,
who was this guy?
Martin Ellis was, uh,
an extremely devout Baptist minister.
We know that in 1850,
he bought your clients' property.
I think Martin Ellis believed that he was a prophet.
So it -- it caused a pretty deep division in the church.
Okay. So what happens?
In 1858, the church called for an investigation.
And, basically, they determined that he was blasphemous.
So him and his followers
were kicked out.
All right. So, now, what does he do
after he's, uh, basically thrown out?
Well, he continued to minister to his followers.
Okay. So where'd he wind up preaching?
On the property that you're investigating at his home.
On the phone, you mentioned he led
an armed revolt against his own church.
Tell me what happened.
In January of 1860,
him and his congregation went down
to the old Unity Baptist Church
and took control of the church.
They busted in.
And then they changed all the locks
on the windows and doors
and wouldn't allow the other congregation to come back.
So this guy, he's out there.
Yes, sir.
All right, so what about all the other people
that didn't follow him?
Where did they go?
The regular Baptist congregation eventually came and --
and built this church here behind us.
This church here? Yes, sir.
And that's where they began to meet.
Okay.
I'm seeing a woman. She was on her knees.
She's looking up at a man.
He has a black coat on.
And he had a gun in his left hand.
He goes, "Now, you will go where the demons dwell."
I saw a church because I do think
that something bad happened to the structure.
People were fleeing.
And I heard, "They think we are evil,"
uh, "They won't let God in."
So far, I've got a family living in fear
on a property once owned by a religious fanatic
who led an armed revolt against his own church.
But I want to see if there's anything else.
Searchin' through old records,
I find an article about a woman
who was brutally murdered in 2000.
Turns out her attacker used to live in my clients' house.
I've reached out to a true-crime writer
who knows the story well.
He says Arthur John Bryant killed his stepmom
in cold blood.
Well, David, thanks for meeting with me.
I appreciate that. All right.
So, in my research,
I came across this homicide
that's directly related to my clients' property.
Uh, what were you able to find out about the family?
Well, it seems that your clients' property
was formerly occupied
by a woman by the name of Christie Bryant.
Uh, she was recently divorced from her husband, Lee.
And she was living there with her teenage son, Arthur.
And do we know how old the kid was?
He was 17 at the time.
Okay. So what happens?
Christie didn't have, uh, an easy time with her son.
He was always fighting with his mother.
Uh, according to the court records,
he attacked her on at least one occasion
and, uh, tried to choke her.
And, uh, she had a hard time with him.
And, eventually, she couldn't take it anymore.
She kicked him out of the house.
And Arthur went to live with his father, Lee,
and his new wife, Carol.
Okay, so what happens?
In these new surroundings,
it seemed that his rage only intensified.
And his stepmother, Carol,
became the focus of this deep-seated anger he had.
And, uh, there were a lot of fights
between the two of them.
And he even wrote, you know,
quasi poetry and rap lyrics
where he fantasized about killing his stepmother.
So can you take me through what happened with the homicide?
Uh, it seems that January 4, 2000,
that's when everything came to a head.
They had a big fight at home, uh, Arthur
and his stepmother, Carol.
And then both of them were gone from the house.
When Arthur's father, Lee, came home,
his wife didn't come home.
He actually called the police
and filed a missing-persons report.
And, uh, 3 days later is
when they found Carol's abandoned car.
They, uh, towed it back to the impound lot.
And there, they opened the trunk.
And in the back, they found Carol.
According to the death certificate, she was strangled.
You know, it's a shame.
This woman was only, uh, 35 years old.
All right. So they arrest Arthur.
What happens next?
He was convicted of, uh, murder,
theft, and obstruction of justice.
He got over 80 years.
There's, um, a female.
And she's extremely depressed and crying.
I heard, like, someone's missing, like, they took her.
I think she's dead. I think this was recent.
And I think she was murdered.
How recent?
Within the last, like, 15 years, I'd say.
I mean, she's cryin' her [bleep] off, this chick.
Oh, my God.
I'm gettin' a neck pain, wicked.
Holy [bleep]
The neck problems are ridiculous.
Like, it literally goes all the way around like a collar.
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So, another thing got my attention in research.
A family named the Pittmans
lived on the land for 50 years
and suffered some heartbreaking tragedies there.
I tracked down the daughter of the guy who built Patty's house.
I'm headed there to meet with her to find out
exactly what happened.
So, Sandra, I understand
that you actually grew up in this house.
Is that right? Yes. I did.
My father built this house in 1970.
Actually, here's a picture of him
and my grandfather building it. Oh, look at that.
They're puttin' the foundation in.
Mm-hmm. Now, Sandra, I --
I know your family had a lot of the property here
for a long time.
Yes, this is part of the original, um,
40 acres that my grandma and grandpa owned.
On the phone, you mentioned your family
suffered some tragedy here.
Um, there was a tragedy around the property.
There was a really bad car accident
that involved two of my cousins.
Okay. When was this?
May 23, 1979.
Okay, what happened?
They were coming down the road too fast...
Okay. ...hit a tree, flipped.
And my cousin Randy, he was ejected.
And, um, the car landed
on top of him and crushed him.
Oh, geez.
He skidded the rest of the way down the hill.
I mean, on the -- Here's the death certificate.
It says, "Auto overturned, rolled over subject,
massive internal injuries."
So...
And he was only 16 years old.
Oh, geez.
So how close was the accident to the house?
It was less than 100 feet from the property.
So everybody in the neighborhood must've heard what happened.
They had to have heard the noise
and probably came out running.
It was horrible, just the wailing and --
and crying.
This is not good.
Somethin' about a car accident happening.
And it's something involving a male.
Whoever this is, like,
I feel like their legs are shaking.
They feel weak.
I think he died.
And I see the skin walker hovering over his body.
I'd say this happened, like, anywhere from,
like, 1970 to, like, 1990s, maybe.
So, now I'm seeing there's this woman.
This is, like, a living person.
And she's, like, running down the road screaming,
"What did you do?
What did you do?"
She's freakin' the [bleep] out.
They can't believe this is happening.
Like, "Oh, my God. This can't be happening.
This can't be happening, cannot be happening."
They're scared.
Is there anything else you can remember
that happened with the family?
Well, as if that wasn't enough,
um, that very same year,
my dad was diagnosed
with a rare lung disease similar to black lung,
like you would get if you had ever been in a coal mine.
Well, did he work in a coal mine? No.
And this was something they say,
you know, was rare, you know, one in a billion get.
He passed away in September of 1980.
He was 42.
Sounds like you guys really had a lot of tragedy.
We did. We had a lot of good times.
But we had a lot of tragedy.
Oh. Just illness.
I just feel horrible amount of illness in here.
I feel like, you know, a male died here.
Ow. So much physical pain.
I hate it.
I see somebody with, like, an oxygen tank,
like, an oxygen mask, terrible lung problems.
Ah My stomach. Oh, my God.
[Bleep] Feel, like, a stabbing pain.
Ow.
I saw several disturbing things on my walk.
But the skin walker taking a soul
from a car accident has me the most concerned.
It has a strange face.
And its head is made out of,
like, roots and bark.
And there's a car that's, like,
wrecked and then, like,
a male that's dead.
And then the thing's there.
And it's taking his image.
Is this what you saw?
Yes.
Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
So, Amy, these three ladies
are some of the most desperate clients we've ever had.
Now, Norma's the one that called this in.
Uh, this is her sister, Patty.
And this is Chyanne, Patty's stepdaughter.
Now, Norma moved in here about 2 years ago
to help take care of her dying father.
Problem is, she and all the ladies here
are convinced that whatever's in this house
is tryin' to kill 'em.
The activity got so bad, Chyanne had to move out.
So now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys,
I'm gonna ask her to describe her walk for us.
When I first got here, I encountered a female.
And she had been murdered.
This was fairly recently, within the last 15 years.
Uh, I felt a lot of pain in my neck and head.
She was extremely depressed and crying.
She felt like she hadn't been found yet.
But I got that she had.
And so I'm like, "Maybe it's her soul?"
She's a lost soul.
I really got a pretty good idea who you're talkin' about.
The previous owner of Patty's property,
uh, was a woman named Christie Bryant.
Now, she was a single mom
that lived here with her teenage son, Arthur.
Now, this kid was a real piece of work.
He was rebellious and violent.
Uh, court records say he hit his mom and even choked her.
Oh, my God.
Actually, things got so far out of hand
with this kid Arthur here that the mother sent him
to go live with his father, Lee,
and his stepmother, Carol.
He had a serious rage towards Carol,
even wrote rap lyrics talking about killing her
and throwing her body into the trunk of a car.
Oh, wow.
Now, on January 4, 2000, it came to a head.
And Arthur and Carol had a huge fight.
After that, they both disappeared.
Three days later, Carol's body was found
in the trunk of her car.
She had been strangled.
I got her death certificate right here.
Day after they found her body, they caught up with Arthur.
And they wind up arresting him.
He was sentenced to 82 years in jail.
Wow.
So you think Carol's the one you saw?
Yes.
Oh, my gosh.
What else?
I was outside in the front.
And I saw an older woman.
And she was completely freaking out.
She's yelling and screaming and running down the road.
And she was shouting, "Oh, my God," uh, like,
"Oh, my God. Why did you do this?"
And, uh, I got the overwhelming sense of dread and loss.
Then I saw a very bad car accident,
a deadly car accident.
The death, uh, was, like,
between here and the next house.
Uh, and then there were people all over the place freakin' out.
Uh, I got that this happened
between the '70s and '90s.
And it was warm out. And it was during the daytime.
You said the death happened between --
between '70 and '90?
Yeah.
Uh, you also thought it was warm?
Yes. Okay.
Now, there was a deadly car accident
that happened right in front of this property
on May 23, 1979.
There were two boys driving down the hill
right beside the house here.
They lost control and slammed into a tree.
Hmm. The car flipped over
and landed on top of one of the boys.
He was killed instantly.
Here's his death certificate here.
Now, this kid was only 16 years old.
Now, the victim's name was Randy Tusi.
I spoke to a woman who grew up in the house.
Um, and she remembered the accident.
Uh, the victim was her cousin.
So the accident happened in broad daylight.
And with that noise it made,
everybody came running out to see what happened.
Now, do you think this is what you saw?
Absolutely, yes.
So, something that,
uh, really concerned me
is this entity that I encountered.
This thing, uh, can trap anybody
who dies near or on this property.
If it wants that person's soul, it'll -- it'll take it.
Oh, my God.
So, I saw it deciding to take this person
who died in the car accident
who was a male.
And I did have a sketch done of what I saw.
[Bleep] me.
Oh, my God.
It's horrible.
I've seen it.
That looks just like the thing
I've seen crouched down over here by the couch.
Can you describe to me?
All right. So let me get this straight.
This creepy thing can take the soul of people
who die on this property.
Yes.
I knew somethin' bad was here.
See, I'm worried now about your dad.
I don't feel like he's safe at all.
I mean, none of us are. But he's so vulnerable.
He's so old.
It actually scares the hell out of me.
If their father dies here, would this happen to him?
I really can't tell you because this --
this thing decides who --
who it wants and who it doesn't want.
But if -- if this thing wanted their father,
he would take it.
Yes.
This thing looks like somethin' out of a horror movie.
What the hell is it?
So, it's called a skin walker.
Skin walkers, uh, typically are born into human form.
But I don't think that this one was ever born.
I think that it just existed.
And I think that's why it's so twisted.
It's extremely old and negative.
And other thing it does with these, uh, souls,
these people's souls and images
that it collects, is it keeps them.
And then it can transform into their image, um, at will.
So you might see somebody that you know to be alive,
like, walking in the house or walking through the house.
And then you come back in.
And that person's, like, asleep in the other room.
Well, that's the skin walker
borrowing that living person's image.
And it likes to just kind of torment the living.
Do me a favor, Chyanne, and tell her
about the nightmares about your mom.
They would start out good.
And I'd see her.
And she was holding her arms open
like she wanted me to come hug her.
So I thought, you know, "Oh, I get to see my mom.
She just passed away. She's back."
So I ran to her.
And I couldn't stop myself from running.
And she transformed into this mon--
monstrous thing.
And she started choking me.
Mm-hmm.
I've seen an apparition of a man.
And I thought it was my husband.
He -- He was dressed like him, white T-shirt,
jeans, had the same body build, same hair.
And then it clicked,
"My husband's on the road." And I watched it.
And it kind of turned like that and just vanished.
Wow.
There are other ways the living might experience this thing.
You might hear or see things getting knocked over.
When I first saw it, uh,
when it was coming over, it was growling at me.
So I thought maybe the living would hear growling.
You would obviously feel like you're being watched.
I felt like, you know, you could see it as a black shadow.
Uh, it can also manipulate the living to do bad things
and to act out or embrace their bad, dark side.
So, a lot of what you've said
is exactly what these ladies, um,
relayed to me that they're experiencing.
So many, in fact, we're gonna take 'em one at a time.
You just feel like you're always being watched.
Um, you don't have any privacy at all.
You mentioned to me shadow figures you see.
It's, uh, very dark.
Mm-hmm.
And it's very low to the ground.
And it's very fast.
Now, Patty, tell her what you heard.
I felt something like it got up off the bed
and walked over beside me.
And it gave this very, very loud growl
when it was a really evil growl.
And it scared me bad.
So, now, everything that the girls here describe to you,
is that all being caused by this thing?
Mm-hmm. It is.
It's pure evil.
So, Amy, this skin walker thing,
I mean, it's caused these women nothin' but terror.
If they don't do anything about it, what could happen?
It can indirectly cause you to develop
severe mental-health issues or physical issues.
And exposed to it long enough, you could lose your mind.
You could have a heart attack.
You could have a stroke.
You know, this thing would enjoy any of this happening.
So it is extremely, uh, detrimental.
I'll start with you, Norma.
You -- You told me you thought you were goin' insane.
I did, yeah. I think I'm goin' crazy.
I started seein' a psychiatrist even over...
Said I, uh, had anxiety and PTSD.
Now, Chyanne, when you were here, you --
you were real nasty at some point, right?
- Angry. - Angry.
I hated everybody, everything.
And at points,
I just wanted to die along with everything else.
I had to get out of here.
I just couldn't take it anymore.
I'm glad I did while I could.
Now, Patty, you --
you were tellin' me you felt the same way.
Yes, very emotional, real depressed a lot,
just feel down all the time.
And I just want to cry at the drop of a hat.
Sometimes, I feel like I'm gonna have a nervous breakdown.
Patty, you got health issues
that you've been suffering with, too, right?
Health has really declined a lot.
Since I've been here,
I had to have a heart catheter done.
I'm sick constantly.
And that's bein' caused all by this thing.
Yes.
So, Norma, it's a good thing you called us in when you did.
Uh, I've done well over 100 cases with Amy.
And I've never seen anything like this.
So I'm just hoping there's a way you guys
can live here safely
and help your dad live out his final days in peace.
To see if that's gonna be possible,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
I wish I had better news.
But it's obviously best if you relocate.
So basically, this skin walker thing can't be dealt with
is what you're tellin' me.
No.
So there's no way of gettin' rid of it
and then bein' able to live here safely?
Mnh-mnh.
But in the meantime,
there is something you can do to protect yourself.
I want you to reach out to a shaman.
What I want them to do
is to set up a boundary around your property.
And this will keep it at bay.
I want the person to also clear the land of the residual energy.
Things will feel a lot lighter, a lot better.
But you're still gonna have mood issues.
You're still going to have illnesses.
Um, those things will still be going on
because of the negative energy.
But at least you'll be able to function enough to --
to get it together to get out.
All right, so the shaman comin' in is basically
just gonna buy them some time
until they can get their affairs in order
if they decide to move.
Right.
So it's gonna be a tough situation for you guys. Very.
It sounds like you're gonna have
to get your father out of here.
Feel like he needs to be out of here.
Yes.
Norma, what are you gonna do?
I'm gonna have to relocate. I can't deal with it, you know?
I don't want to live here no more.
And you can't have your health goin' downhill anymore.
No, to be honest, there's times I pray for God to take me.
I just want out.
I -- I don't think no one should live here.
I think this place needs to be left in peace.
It's never easy telling a family they need to leave their home.
But in this case, it's the only way they can remain safe.
I believe if Norma and Patty contact a shaman,
they'll be able to protect themselves
and their father
until they can leave the property for good.